Monday, June 01, 2009


Here's a few more items I found at Salon on the murder of Dr. George Tiller by the radical right-wing christo-fascist terrorist extremist Scott P. Roeder.

First from the War Room at Salon:

O'Reilly will talk about Tiller murder

As Salon's Gabriel Winant wrote in a fantastic article available elsewhere on the site, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly frequently attacked abortion provider George Tiller in recent years. O'Reilly accused Tiller of "Nazi stuff," compared him to NAMBLA and al-Qaida, said he had "blood on his hands."

Understandably, then, O'Reilly's taken some heat since Tiller was shot to death at his church on Sunday. Tonight, according to Greg Sargent, the Fox News personality will talk about the doctor one more time -- a spokesman for the network told Sargent, "Mr. O’Reilly will be addressing the issue/topic on tonight’s show."

That will, almost certainly, make for some very interesting television.

...and this:

Suspect in Tiller murder identified

According to the Associated Press, police have identified the man suspected of murdering abortion provider George Tiller as 51-year-old Scott Roeder of Merriam, Kansas. He is in custody but has not yet been charged with the crime.

Roeder has a history with Kansas law enforcement and with potentially violent political extremism. In 1996, he was stopped and arrested for driving a car without a valid license plate, apparently an act of protest. According to the Kansas City Star, the FBI believed that Roeder was a member of the Montana Freemen, a militia group that engaged in a standoff with authorities. His license plate read:


Private Property

Immunity Declared at Law

Non-Commercial American

Upon searching Roeder's car, police discovered bombmaking material including gunpowder and two six-volt lantern batteries. In his home, they found a two-page instruction manual, "Underground Cookbook: Clothes Pin Time-Delayed Switch" that reportedly gave directions for how to assemble a bomb with the items in his car. After later violating his parole for convictions stemming from that incident, Roeder was sentenced to 16 months in prison.

Various Internet sleuths have discovered two comments Roeder left on Web message boards about Tiller. In one, posted to Operation Rescue's Web site, he wrote:

Bleass (sic) everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp.

Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.

In another, on, Roeder said, "It seems as though what is happening in Kansas could be compared to the 'lawlessness' which is spoken of in the Bible. Tiller is the concentration camp 'Mengele' of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgement upon our nation."

Salon found a different kind of Internet posting that appears to have been put up by Roeder. On, he listed himself as available to be a caregiver for the elderly, writing, "I haven't cared for seniors professionally, but am looking for a position to do so. I'm 50 years old myself, and feel I have the life experience, maturity and desire to provide compassionate and complete care to the elderly and those who are in need." In the ad, Roeder said he'd had some college education at Washburn University, in Topeka, and that he'd majored in French Government.

Here's a few more links you can check out, too:

O'Reilly's campaign against murdered doctor

George Tiller needs more than candlelight vigils

And this from Joan Walsh:

Dr. George Tiller murdered in Wichita

UPDATE: Here's a story from the
Washington Post:

Suspect Held in Tiller Slaying

Acting on orders from Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., who said the Obama administration will take "appropriate steps to help prevent any related acts of violence from occurring," the U.S. Marshals Service announced that it will begin protecting certain abortion clinics and doctors.


skyewriter said...

On a wild tangent:

So all of the Tea Partiers somehow will think this execution was a good thing and still gripe about taxes (altho' it will be *our* tax dollars being used to protect these clinics and doctors)?

I am all for a government that minds its own business. If it _minds_ it. But these fringe groups are definitely to be watched with a careful eye.

I was thinking that there must have been an increase in the number of threats for Holder to get the Marshal Service involved.

Seeing Eye Chick said...

I believe that this was an act of Lone Wolf Mentality and leaderless Resistance.

You know its funny that Anti-Choicers couldnt stop women from going to family planning clinics to get an abortion or receive other services. They couldnt attack the women anymore, that would be against the law, but apparently the docs and nurses are fair game.

WHY? Why should anyone be fair game like that? Why is that legal?

If a woman were to leave a man, and he were to do to her, what these anti-Choicers do to these medical professionals, the perps would be indicted and tried for stalking, for hate crimes and terroristic threats. But when these assholes do this, it's "Free Speech?"

I dont get it anymore than I get that Phelps dick that protests military funerals.

As for the Martials? They are armed. That is a good thing. I doubt these cowards would have the cahonas to go after a known armed individual who is authorized to use deadly force.

Its easier to go after women and doctors in church.

Woody (Tokin Librul/Rogue Scholar/ Helluvafella!) said...

Let's us at least call it by its right name: Assassination.The killing was and is a political crime, an act of terror designed to induce fear, and to coerce other providers into withdrawing the services. Not unlike the killing of Rachel Corrie, e.g.

Even under the least expansive definition of terrorism, this was a terrorist attack...

Cats r Flyfishn said...

The right wingnuts just don't want to talk about these homegrown terrorists. These terrorists don't need to travel far to get the materials to kill other Americans. With all that bombing making materials, it looks like the terrorist Roeder was planning on doing something a bit bigger than killing one person.

Grandpa Eddie said...

skyewriter - I'm all for the govt minding it's own business, too, but keeping a watchful eye on these extremists IS their business. And I think there's a lot of them that should have been watched for a long time now.

Seeing Eye Chick - This guy may have been a Lone Wolf, but he definitely had leaders who were egging him on everyday on the FOX network.

There may not be any that have the balls to confront the Marshals, but I bet there are some that are stupid enough to.

Woody - Assassination is a damn good word for what happened yesterday!

Cats - Everything they need is very accessible. Components for bomb making can be found at the local hardware store. Guns can be purchased at a gun show and there is no background check. If these right-wing extremists want something bad enough they'll get it, or someone will get it for them.

Anonymous said...

I agree that this is terrorism and assassination.

People like O'Reilly are fueling the out-of-control extreme right flames. I consider O'Reilly and Limbaugh...and Palin at those rallies...and others like them dangerous people. They incite people...non-thinking people...people with guns and lots of hatred and little violence.

Grandpa Eddie said...

itdawnedonme - There are so many on the right who are inciting the ditto-heads, non-thinking people, to violence. Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are two more that can be added to that list, in fact most of the "commentators" on FOX News.

Seeing Eye Chick said...

Grandpa that is the point of lone wolf and leaderless resistance. It is only done to give larger more public organizations plausible deniability when serious crimes are committed for *their cause. They make a wishlist--sort of like Hannity or O'Reily, "If they live on a perfect world on X-mas day, this is what they would like to see happen, who they would like to see eliminated."

And then crazy dude goes out and does the dead. They know that there are crazys standing by waiting for the crazy order. But it's not done like a hit in jail or in the mafia. No money changes hands. Word gets out in their little personal grapevines. The deed is done, Crazy guy is put in jail, but treated like a martyr-celebrity in jail, given pro-bono representation, or what have you, meanwhile, big names don't get punished for "Giving the order" because technically they didn't give an order, they made a wish, or spread a what if scenario.

De Facto Chain of Command.

It's slimy and slippery and smells like bullshit. I hope Roeder's ties to Christian Identity and the Patriot movement will force these issues of Leaderless Resistance. It is prosecutable. It just takes more time to prove it.

In my humble opinion, Christian Extremists Groups have been getting special rights long enough.

Grandpa Eddie said...

Seeing Eye Chick - Believe me, I know how the Leaderless Resistance works. I have seen it all to often, all the way back to the assassinations of RFK and MLK.

I totally agree with you about the Christian Extremists Groups having been given special rights, as well as a pass on wrongdoings, for far to long.